Originally Posted by tweakstick

My libertarian philosophy still applies as follows:

We have always had laws against drunk/impaired driving. This does not end with libertarianism. You have the right to get drunk and blow your hand off with fireworks but that doesn't excuse you when you burn your neighbor's house down. You have just crossed the line between your freedoms and my property. Don't expect me to sew your hand back on, either or pay to for the hospital stay.

No-one should tell me who I can barter with or sell my crops to as long as it is between myself and another adult. Whether or not I give a bushel of tomatoes or a bag of pot to an adult neighbor in exchange for his beer or a beef shoulder is between the two of us. If I trade my tractor to a friend for his horses, that's our business. Since public market trading for profit using legal tender money is taxable, then and only then does this become the business of the government and give them control over anyone's business. They do print the money so you give them that option when you choose that route. As adults, it is our responsibility to take reasonable means to ensure that our property is not used for evil purposes.

A car, truck, tractor, gun, ammunition, beer and the marijuana all have the potential to kill someone. Killing is a criminal act. No one should hold Ford responsible when some nigger gets drunk and high as balls then decides to use his gun and truck to rob a bank, run from the police, and crash into a school bus.

As far as the more complicated chemicals, I'm not saying we should all go breaking bad here. Obviously, lines have to be drawn and they have been complicated by the market's pursuit of street drug profits since the war on drugs began. It should rightly be called the war on behavior and it was brought about due to weak individuals whose refusal to self discipline and avoid addictive bad behaviors brought us all the loss of liberties we previously enjoyed. Most people don't realize how post revolution China solved the opium den problem. Dealers were executed immediately. Free rehab programs were offered to everyone during a grace period. If you got caught after that, you were executed as well. Talk about the other end of the spectrum, huh...

The thing about pure libertarian governing is that it only works as our Constitution designed it to work with a certain peculiar people.

Hi tweakstick,
I have to apologize here: I somehow missed your first answer (This one: "As far as education, just ask any kid who went through D.A.R.E training and they will tell you, it just made them want to try drugs.").
Had I read it before I'd noticed that I probably used the wrong expression: I said "education", but it seems that in English that is more of a thing that happens at school, right? Because of what I meant to say is similar to what the picture you posted (the John Adams citation) says: I meant the values&upbringing of your parents, and the society you happen to grow up in. Is there a word for that in English? (In German there are different words for school/university education, and education at home, from parents/family/society/church/values).
So if I understood you right, we absolutely agree here!

Concerning your libertarian philosophy: You are right, that would be the ideal situation. My suggestion didn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to sell your crops, but that I think that there should be rules for certain things. E.g. you can (of course) sell crops, but not the alcohol you make out of it (that special case just as an example).
Because sadly I don't think that a society completely without rules would work, that probably would result in a dictatorship of the strongest or most ruthless people. All in all, it's a difficult topic. E.g. I don't want to pay for other peoples stupidity, but at the same time I don't want other people to interfere my business as well. But at the moment, there is definitely way too much government (and way too many liberals & niggers that live from other peoples money).

Originally Posted by Socialism_is_terrorism

I agree in general, but I have two thoughts: For one,I think there is a difference between medical use, and recreational use. And second, we are living together with other people. Hence I can see that rules are probably needed as long as people are unwilling / unable to stay within their boundaries.
I personally don't care what people do in their private time, and government definitively shouldn't interfere here. But I do care when people e.g. drive when drunk/high etc.

Considering of what you said about the right to grow your own food and medications I think you are absolutely right! What do you think of this simple and fair (at least at first sight) solution: As long as you are able to produce the stuff on your own, everything is allowed. But it's not allowed to sell it when it has the potential to endanger someone. Apart from minors, alcohol & marijuana seem to be relatively harmless (speaking of moderate doses of course), and when you have to grow it on your own, that automatically limits the available amount as well. The people who have the knowledge to produce the more complicated synthetic stuff that does not simply grow on the field should have enough brains to know what they can bear.

My libertarian philosophy still applies as follows:

We have always had laws against drunk/impaired driving. This does not end with libertarianism. You have the right to get drunk and blow your hand off with fireworks but that doesn't excuse you when you burn your neighbor's house down. You have just crossed the line between your freedoms and my property. Don't expect me to sew your hand back on, either or pay to for the hospital stay.

No-one should tell me who I can barter with or sell my crops to as long as it is between myself and another adult. Whether or not I give a bushel of tomatoes or a bag of pot to an adult neighbor in exchange for his beer or a beef shoulder is between the two of us. If I trade my tractor to a friend for his horses, that's our business. Since public market trading for profit using legal tender money is taxable, then and only then does this become the business of the government and give them control over anyone's business. They do print the money so you give them that option when you choose that route. As adults, it is our responsibility to take reasonable means to ensure that our property is not used for evil purposes.

A car, truck, tractor, gun, ammunition, beer and the marijuana all have the potential to kill someone. Killing is a criminal act. No one should hold Ford responsible when some nigger gets drunk and high as balls then decides to use his gun and truck to rob a bank, run from the police, and crash into a school bus.

As far as the more complicated chemicals, I'm not saying we should all go breaking bad here. Obviously, lines have to be drawn and they have been complicated by the market's pursuit of street drug profits since the war on drugs began. It should rightly be called the war on behavior and it was brought about due to weak individuals whose refusal to self discipline and avoid addictive bad behaviors brought us all the loss of liberties we previously enjoyed. Most people don't realize how post revolution China solved the opium den problem. Dealers were executed immediately. Free rehab programs were offered to everyone during a grace period. If you got caught after that, you were executed as well. Talk about the other end of the spectrum, huh...

The thing about pure libertarian governing is that it only works as our Constitution designed it to work with a certain peculiar people.

Originally Posted by tweakstick

I will say this much on the subject:

As a Constitutionalist Libertarian, I believe it's your God given right to do as you choose and make your own decisions, health or otherwise. This includes growing and using your own medications like any other food or product for your own personal use free from any government interference, control or taxation.

As far as marijuana being helpful, the short answer is yes, it does - more than anything else I've ever been prescribed or taken OTC including CBD
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Our founding fathers, the Native Americans and ancient Hebrews all grew, smoked and consumed it as well and don't let anyone tell you different. So as far as it being a nigger drug, any drug can be a nigger drug. Niggers huff jenkem FFS!

I agree in general, but I have two thoughts: For one, I think there is a difference between medical use, and recreational use. And second, we are living together with other people. Hence I can see that rules are probably needed as long as people are unwilling / unable to stay within their boundaries.
I personally don't care what people do in their private time, and government definitively shouldn't interfere here. But I do care when people e.g. drive when drunk/high etc. To my mind the whole topic is mainly a problem of education, but I admit that I could be completely wrong here (genetic predispositions?).

Considering of what you said about the right to grow your own food and medications I think you are absolutely right! What do you think of this simple and fair (at least at first sight) solution: As long as you are able to produce the stuff on your own, everything is allowed. But it's not allowed to sell it when it has the potential to endanger someone. Apart from minors, alcohol & marijuana seem to be relatively harmless (speaking of moderate doses of course), and when you have to grow it on your own, that automatically limits the available amount as well. The people who have the knowledge to produce the more complicated synthetic stuff that does not simply grow on the field should have enough brains to know what they can bear.

Originally Posted by Socialism_is_terrorism

Sadly, I think you are right. I wish I knew an answer, but I don't. Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely against the legalization of drugs, especially the stuff that makes people highly addictive, and/or destroys them within no time. But I don't think the problem can be solved outside of education. And since our dimwit politicians, journalists and teachers preach "legalize drugs" day in, day out, the problem won't go away!

The time to legalize drugs ended the moment we made them illegal. Pharmaceutical companies and drug cartels aren't really that different if you stop and think about it. Both maximize profits by creating a returning customer base. If everyone took care of themselves to begin with, marijuana would still be 7% THC, crack would have never been invented, people wouldn't be dying from the coof vaccine... The list of examples and similarities is endless.

Even with alcohol, there is no telling how much smaller organized crime would be right now if prohibition had never been passed. No-one would even know who the Kennedy's were.

As far as education, just ask any kid who went through D.A.R.E training and they will tell you, it just made them want to try drugs. Both of my kids have told me as much as well as every kid in my family.

There is no answer now. Pandora's box was opened and there's not a damn thing you can do about it now.

Originally Posted by Celticgirl

As far as CBD oils and stuff who knows? Do they cure diseases? I don't know. 

I will say this much on the subject:

As a Constitutionalist Libertarian, I believe it's your God given right to do as you choose and make your own decisions, health or otherwise. This includes growing and using your own medications like any other food or product for your own personal use free from any government interference, control or taxation.

I suffer from middle age and a lack of foresight in my younger days - some recreational and some service related. I have torn rotator cuffs in both shoulders, a bad back, bum knee and various other issues including severe migraines and tinnitus. Every day is a pain somewhere and I already take the max recommended of OTC pain relief meds on most days. Despite past prescriptions, I refuse to take anything stronger due to the inherent addiction risk.

I will admit that I have tried both CBD and prescription marijuana to see if either would help. CBD does indeed help with the pain and seems to help with the inflammation somewhat. CBD oil does NOT carry THC - the active ingredient that gives marijuana its "high" feeling.

As far as marijuana being helpful, the short answer is yes, it does - more than anything else I've ever been prescribed or taken OTC including CBD. There is, however a serious drawback to this approach. The whole reason I tried it was for relief from chronic pain and for improved physical mobility when nothing else worked. The catch 22 is that this treatment is pointless if it makes you so relaxed and feeling so pain-free that you don't care if you get anything done much less done right. While the cure is not worse than the disease, the cost outweigh the benefits if you need to do anything time critical or mentally taxing.

CBD oil is more expensive and not as effective as pot for pain. It is also hit or miss and doesn't always work if the pain is severe. Medical pot is cheaper and works better but you might as well be stuffing your head with cotton balls. That's how it left me feeling so for now, I just choose to suffer quietly and deal with it.

Our founding fathers, the Native Americans and ancient Hebrews all grew, smoked and consumed it as well and don't let anyone tell you different. So as far as it being a nigger drug, any drug can be a nigger drug. Niggers huff jenkem FFS!

Originally Posted by Socialism_is_terrorism

Sadly, I think you are right. I wish I knew an answer, but I don't. Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely against the legalization of drugs, especially the stuff that makes people highly addictive, and/or destroys them within no time. But I don't think the problem can be solved outside of education. And since our dimwit politicians, journalists and teachers preach "legalize drugs" day in, day out, the problem won't go away!

I was thinking about this issue, and I came with a possible idea to control the niggers: remember how there used to be opium dens where people used to smoke opium and get wasted all day long?

Imagine if we had fentanyl dens for niggers, where they could get the stuff for free, but they could only consume the stuff in the dens, and were required to get injected with narcan before leaving the premises. With a kilo of fentanyl, they could dilute the stuff until it was roughly equivalent to opium, and they would have enough to keep the niggers sedated 24/7, 365 days a year. The niggers would spend all of their time getting high, but humans wouldn't have to deal with them or even see them.

Also, fentanyl is different than opium in that the high supposedly dissipates much faster than the natural stuff, so the addicted niggers will have a very difficult time staying away from the dens for any significant amount of time.

As for weed... Well, I'll sometimes eat a 10mg edible with Aleve when my back starts acting up. It's cheaper than most drugs, legal (in Arizona), and it makes the pain go away. But Aleve works well enough for the most part without the weed. I just save the marijuana for when the pain reaches 11 on a scale of 1 to 10. The high is just a bonus in that it distracts me enough to stop thinking of other ways to end the pain.

It's not a perfect solution, but it's probably better than becoming an opiate addict. I've seen other veterans go down that road... *shudders*

Nope.

Originally Posted by tweakstick

We lost the war on drugs the moment we declared it.

Sadly, I think you are right. I wish I knew an answer, but I don't. Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely against the legalization of drugs, especially the stuff that makes people highly addictive, and/or destroys them within no time. But I don't think the problem can be solved outside of education. And since our dimwit politicians, journalists and teachers preach "legalize drugs" day in, day out, the problem won't go away!

Originally Posted by Kagman

We've got the next best thing... President FuckWit is handing out 100 million worth of free crack pipes - Paid for by you and me

Damn, I already forgot that! You are right! It's so hard to be sarcastic these days, because reality overtakes sarcasm just too often!

Originally Posted by tweakstick

I would like to see a chart that shows how much fentanyl use is intentional vs. unintentional. Of course this will never happen because no-one really knows what they are buying in today's illicit drug trade environment. My daughter knew a girl from high school that purchased one pill to split with a friend. She thought it was a hydrocodone. It was not - at least not solely a hydro. She purchased it from a nigger. The pill was spiked with fentanyl. It may have been a piece of candy or kitchen cleaner for all she knew but it was pressed to look legit. She died after a brief coma. Her other friend was hospitalized in critical for some time. The nigger is in the parish prison charged with murder. This girl was a church going honor roll student who had never done drugs. I was told that she was under extreme pressure to perform in her schoolwork and extra curricular activities and wanted to try it to see if it would ease her stress.

She made two mistakes. She trusted a nigger and she purchased the pill. She paid with her life and the suffering of her family and friends.

The drug is cheap to manufacture, distribute and easy to smuggle and hide. Due to its incredibly small dosage, it is finding its way into every conceivable street drug including marijuana. Yep, it's not even the same pot you smoked in school anymore. Remember when weed was safe and drinking was dangerous?

Fentanyl gives any product more bang for the buck and sometimes the buyer has no idea that they have ingested it, thinking only that whatever they got was powerful and worth it. They may get away with it a thousand times or they may not do it a second, like my daughter's classmate.

We lost the war on drugs the moment we declared it.

Banning anything simply makes people go to extreme lengths to get it and creates a whole new criminal element. Look at Prohibition. Telling people they couldn't have a beer at the end of the day stopped no one from drinking, got lots of people poisoned, booze smugglers killed, and made small-time gangsters like Capone very rich and powerful.
I don't know what the answer is, but forbidding drugs is not working, not even a little bit, and never has.

As for fentanyl - I don't even understand the need for it. A drug this powerful and deadly for pain? I recently saw a case of a nigger who had been prescribed a pain patch that contained fentanyl that would slow-release but this patch sprung a leak - dead nigger. If it only killed niggers, fine, but humans are dying too. A drug this lethal is not needed, except maybe for terminal patients who are suffering terribly. A little pain never killed anyone but this generation of snowflakes feel they shouldn't have to endure anything bad even for a second.

For sure this new drug is NOT for any medical reasons but to kill people, even people who don't actually take it. You can't save stupid people from themselves and it's going to be bad when cops and medical personnel refuse to do drug busts or treat drugged patients.

Originally Posted by tweakstick

I would like to see a chart that shows how much fentanyl use is intentional vs. unintentional. Of course this will never happen because no-one really knows what they are buying in today's illicit drug trade environment. My daughter knew a girl from high school that purchased one pill to split with a friend. She thought it was a hydrocodone. It was not - at least not solely a hydro. She purchased it from a nigger. The pill was spiked with fentanyl. It may have been a piece of candy or kitchen cleaner for all she knew but it was pressed to look legit. She died after a brief coma. Her other friend was hospitalized in critical for some time. The nigger is in the parish prison charged with murder. This girl was a church going honor roll student who had never done drugs. I was told that she was under extreme pressure to perform in her schoolwork and extra curricular activities and wanted to try it to see if it would ease her stress.

She made two mistakes. She trusted a nigger and she purchased the pill. She paid with her life and the suffering of her family and friends.

The drug is cheap to manufacture, distribute and easy to smuggle and hide. Due to its incredibly small dosage, it is finding its way into every conceivable street drug including marijuana. Yep, it's not even the same pot you smoked in school anymore. Remember when weed was safe and drinking was dangerous?

Fentanyl gives any product more bang for the buck and sometimes the buyer has no idea that they have ingested it, thinking only that whatever they got was powerful and worth it. They may get away with it a thousand times or they may not do it a second, like my daughter's classmate.

We lost the war on drugs the moment we declared it.

That happened to the girl in Miami Beach last year that was on spring break. It's heartbreaking. That girl had her whole life ahead of her. I feel so bad for her family. It makes me so angry the press today said Trump went on unhinged rant due to Jan 6 hearings. Like Biden saying he has cancer is not unhinged. They are evil the press. I remember Nancy Reagan's war on drugs in the 1980's. I remember when smoking marijuana was considered bad. Now blue states made it legal. I know why. For the tax money and because too many niggers were locked up on weed charges. I've never used it at all. To me, its a nigger drug. As far as CBD oils and stuff who knows? Do they cure diseases? I don't know. Why these girls took pills from street niggers I will never know. When I was 15, I was sitting by myself at a restaurant and a group of niggers were trying to get me to come into the car with them. I left the restaurant then and there. Even at 15 I knew they were trouble. My God, I may have wound up dead. My parents too sent me to college and private schools. I would never ever put them through such a thing as risking losing me. And I was an only child too. Today, the white kids are guilted that if they don't take pills from niggers they are racist. It really angers me when people say they won't report nigger crimes because they don't want another black man in jail.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't get the fascination with fentanyl.

I would like to see a chart that shows how much fentanyl use is intentional vs. unintentional. Of course this will never happen because no-one really knows what they are buying in today's illicit drug trade environment. My daughter knew a girl from high school that purchased one pill to split with a friend. She thought it was a hydrocodone. It was not - at least not solely a hydro. She purchased it from a nigger. The pill was spiked with fentanyl. It may have been a piece of candy or kitchen cleaner for all she knew but it was pressed to look legit. She died after a brief coma. Her other friend was hospitalized in critical for some time. The nigger is in the parish prison charged with murder. This girl was a church going honor roll student who had never done drugs. I was told that she was under extreme pressure to perform in her schoolwork and extra curricular activities and wanted to try it to see if it would ease her stress.

She made two mistakes. She trusted a nigger and she purchased the pill. She paid with her life and the suffering of her family and friends.

The drug is cheap to manufacture, distribute and easy to smuggle and hide. Due to its incredibly small dosage, it is finding its way into every conceivable street drug including marijuana. Yep, it's not even the same pot you smoked in school anymore. Remember when weed was safe and drinking was dangerous?

Fentanyl gives any product more bang for the buck and sometimes the buyer has no idea that they have ingested it, thinking only that whatever they got was powerful and worth it. They may get away with it a thousand times or they may not do it a second, like my daughter's classmate.

We lost the war on drugs the moment we declared it.

Originally Posted by Kagman

I'm thinking what we were watching was Prez FuckWit's ever-advancing dementia... No one has stated what type of cancer he has... I think it's a symptom of a mind that's turned to jello...

Said another way... I don't think he has cancer

Dementia is fatal though. If he does have it eventually he will forget how to eat or drink and it will be bye bye. He does not have long. He really looks like shit now as it is. People say that if something happens to him Harris is in charge and if something happens to Harris Pelosi is in charge. My question is why is Pelosi still working? She is f ing 81 something years old. How much longer does that old crow have? What does she expect to work until she is 150? WTF. I notice alot of whites dying from fentanyl and other nasty stuff they have no business taking. Mostly from niggers giving it to them. Mostly naive young whites who probably believe they are racist if they don't take the pill niggers give them. Sick. I'm just so disgusted at this point.

Originally Posted by Kagman

You write powerfully... and correctly... All this Fentanyl and other opioids are coming in from China.... It's an act of war using weapons of mass destruction Fuck those gook bastards. God damned overdoes are now the LEADING cause of death for middle aged white men.

Niggers are not using nearly as much of the stuff as I'd like to see. They remain big on crack... Something they've been quite happy with since the 80's... I vote to start spiking crack cocaine with Fentanyl.... Start offing those niggers en-mass...

Damn... Open up an account here.... You're a clear thinker

Exactly. Not good. Biden does not have America's best interest at heart. This is bad.

Originally Posted by Kagman

All this Fentanyl and other opioids are coming in from China.... It's an act of war using weapons of mass destruction Fuck those gook bastards.

I don't blame the Chinese as much as I blame our own government. They have opened up the borders and like most all illegal drugs, Chinese drugs pour through our southern border.

China will do what they are going to do because we are in an economic cold war with them. How is it that much different when we have a history of toppling entire governments by CIA chicanery. John Bolton even bragged about his history of doing so on the House floor recently. China is no different. I expect them to do this. So does our government. The problem is, they don't give a shit.

It is our government's responsibility to prevent this shit but the fact is, they want it to happen because they are all members of the same globohomo clubs including the UN, Bilderburgers, WEF, etc. They make wars, break nations, destroy lives and economies and they all do it for shits, giggles and profit. That, and the fact that they are all Satan worshiping pedophiles.

They should all be burned at the stake - in Minecraft, of course.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't get the fascination with fentanyl. I mean, yes, it's obviously a potent opiod, but for me, I can get along just fine with Aleve (naproxen sodium). Got a hangover? Eat some Tums and take one Aleve. Got a semi-serious and painful injury? Take two Aleve. Feeling vaguely crappy with various aches and pains? Take one Aleve. Problem solved.

That being said, I have no problem with niggers goodifying themselves by smoking fentanyl pills.

It's a little bit weird how the police have been finding absolutely massive caches of fentanyl pills lately though, and how the courts have been letting smugglers wander off on their own recognizance after being arrested. They probably figure they can save some money by letting the cartels make them good after they lost hundreds of thousands of dollars of potential profits, but still...

I live in Phoenix, Arizona and I refuse to go further south than Camelback for any reason. It's fucking annoying when you go to a supermarket and some shithead is literally standing by the entrance and smoking a fucking pill through a plastic straw with a torch lighter and begging for money. They aren't even polite about it either like some beggars. Fuck those niggers. I hope they ban nalaxone in Arizona and let all those fucking junkies kill themselves. They are a fucking plague and they make everything worse for everyone.

You write powerfully... and correctly... All this Fentanyl and other opioids are coming in from China.... It's an act of war using weapons of mass destruction Fuck those gook bastards. God damned overdoes are now the LEADING cause of death for middle aged white men.

Niggers are not using nearly as much of the stuff as I'd like to see. They remain big on crack... Something they've been quite happy with since the 80's... I vote to start spiking crack cocaine with Fentanyl.... Start offing those niggers en-mass...

Damn... Open up an account here.... You're a clear thinker

Originally Posted by IseDaDiva

What is the purpose of this drug that guarantees instant death to anyone who uses it, and probably death to someone trying to revive that person? Will EMTs have to wear hazmat suits to respond ot overdoses? Why should they risk their lives for niggers and idiots who fool around with this stuff? Who, besides niggers, would willingly and knowingly take it? Well, at least they'll be spared any withdrawals.

Don't do drugs, kids!

It's Darwinism at its finest. Anyone who knowingly takes ANY unknown drug is playing Russian roulette with a revolver with 6 rounds in the cylinder.

Originally Posted by Celticgirl

That idiot said he had cancer yesterday. God, I hope its true. But then we get heels up Harris.

I'm thinking what we were watching was Prez FuckWit's ever-advancing dementia... No one has stated what type of cancer he has... I think it's a symptom of a mind that's turned to jello...

Said another way... I don't think he has cancer

[QUOTE=IseDaDiva;219863]What is the purpose of this drug that guarantees instant death to anyone who uses it, and probably death to someone trying to revive that person? Will EMTs have to wear hazmat suits to respond ot overdoses? Why should they risk their lives for niggers and idiots who fool around with this stuff? Who, besides niggers, would willingly and knowingly take it? Well, at least they'll be spared any withdrawals.



They had that girl in Miami Beach at Spring Break last year a couple niggers gave her a pill and she took it. It was fentanyl and she died. That is scary. Why would you take a pill like that from a couple niggers? They are charged with murder now.

Originally Posted by tweakstick

Did someone say we needed a drug more powerful than fentanyl to help niggers self delete?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/iso-drug-...a-spring-break

An amount the size of a poppy seed can goodify over 30 George Floyds.
I would suggest to any of our LEO or medical professional members that they refuse any type of hands on CPR or resuscitation of anyone suspected of an OD nowadays. Do you really want to trust a flimsy latex glove between you and death?

What is the purpose of this drug that guarantees instant death to anyone who uses it, and probably death to someone trying to revive that person? Will EMTs have to wear hazmat suits to respond ot overdoses? Why should they risk their lives for niggers and idiots who fool around with this stuff? Who, besides niggers, would willingly and knowingly take it? Well, at least they'll be spared any withdrawals.

Don't do drugs, kids!

Originally Posted by Kagman

We've got the next best thing... President FuckWit is handing out 100 million worth of free crack pipes - Paid for by you and me

That idiot said he had cancer yesterday. God, I hope its true. But then we get heels up Harris.